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11:31:33 < dmezentsev> Hello!
11:31:46 < dmezentsev> Let´s start Eng. meeting.
11:31:56 < dmezentsev> Agenda today is quite standard:
11:32:18 < dmezentsev> 1) Status of each Scrum team (http://goo.gl/mHVr).
11:32:31 < dmezentsev> 2) Status update from other areas:
11:32:31 < dmezentsev> - Product Strategy (John)
11:32:31 < dmezentsev> - Product Management (Richard)
11:32:31 < dmezentsev> - Program Management (Peter)
11:32:31 < dmezentsev> - UX (Rob)
11:32:33 < dmezentsev> 3) Q&A.
11:32:56 < dmezentsev> So who is going first from the Teams?
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11:33:13 < vmromanos> hi dmezentsev: Localization team can go first
11:33:23 < dmezentsev> Great, thanks.
11:33:39 < vmromanos> Here is the information of the Localization team:
11:33:49 < vmromanos> - During the last sprint we released a new major version of the Spanish Professional Localization Pack, which includes:
11:34:06 < vmromanos> * a new functionality called "Multidimensional Tax Report". This report allows companies to get the necessary information for submitting tax reports to the Tax Authorities, like the Spanish 110, 303 and 115. Take into account that this module is not only useful in Spain, but in other countries.
11:34:23 < vmromanos> * The 349 report has been updated to the new requirements for the 2010 year
11:34:36 < vmromanos> * The Invoices Register Book has been improved to be able to properly fill the 340 Spanish Report
11:34:54 < vmromanos> - In the last sprint, we also published the Intrastat functionality, which is divided into a generic module that acts as a framework that can be used in every European country, and a more specific module for Spain that creates the valid file accepted by the Spanish Authorities.
11:35:11 < vmromanos> - During this sprint we are very focus on the following tasks:
11:35:21 < vmromanos> * Refactor of the Initial Client Setup (adapt it to the new DAL, modularize it, etc.)
11:35:33 < vmromanos> * Advanced asset management. We have already developed two modules for this functionality (Financial Invoices and Generic Tree Report). During this sprint we will finish the Technical documentation of this project
11:35:47 < vmromanos> * Bug fixing
11:35:53 < vmromanos> That's all. Questions?
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11:36:18 < katratxo> vmromanos: question about initial client setup refactor, a developer can call it from 'outside', e.g. webservice ?
11:36:18 < plujan> I have a question
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11:37:03 < vmromanos> katratxo: I'm not involved in this development, but I don't think we're working on it
11:37:11 < plujan> regarding initial client setup, in which sprint it is planned to  be included?
11:37:21 < vmromanos> plujan: in this one
11:37:23 < plujan> sorry, I mean in which MP :D
11:37:45 < vmromanos> the development should be finished in a few days
11:37:58 < vmromanos> if the testing goes fine, we can include it in the next MP
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11:38:10 < plujan> cool, thanks
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11:38:44 < vmromanos> more questions?
11:38:49 < psarobe> what do you mean with the development is finished?
11:39:08 < psarobe> including QA?
11:39:16 < vmromanos> psarobe: the last line of the code is written
11:39:27 < vmromanos> not including QA
11:39:38 < psarobe> ok
11:39:53 < vmromanos> we plan to test it using the smoke test
11:40:16 < psarobe> take into account that then you will need to change the smoke test
11:40:37 < vmromanos> psarobe: no, the idea is the output of the ICS is exactly the same as before
11:40:46 < vmromanos> so no change is required
11:40:58 < psarobe> so maybe to include in the next sprint might be too soon
11:41:07 < psarobe> sorry next MP
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11:41:43 < harpreet> dmezentsev: RM can go next
11:41:49 < vmromanos> psarobe: I don't know why. If we properly test it, we can include when it's finished
11:42:04 < plujan> vmromanos , psarobe: I think you are mixing "smoke test" with "automated test" so please let's move this discussion and continue with the meeting
11:42:14 < dmezentsev> psarobe, vmromanos: I think we can continue with it off-line, is it OK?
11:42:21 < psarobe> dmezentsev, yes
11:42:32 < vmromanos> sure
11:42:34 < dmezentsev> psarobe: OK, thanks.
11:42:55 < dmezentsev> And congratulations for the Localization team with a new SPLP!!!
11:43:04 < vmromanos> dmezentsev: thanks :-)
11:43:32 < dmezentsev> OK, vmromanos, thanks for the update.
11:43:41 < dmezentsev> harpreet: Please, go on.
11:43:48 < harpreet> RM Status.
11:43:48 < harpreet> - Released MP17 few days back. (Emergency MP)
11:43:48 < harpreet> - Regarding the mp18 we hope that the last needed changesets were in main today, so we can start the process
11:43:51 < harpreet> - Regarding CI
11:43:54 < harpreet>   - We are on our way to deliver templates for the module integration with Hudson.  (Module integration and sanity checks)
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11:43:57 < harpreet>   - After delivering the templates (most probably by tomorrow), we have some work for development teams as to think of that else we can provide templates OR test base to them.
11:44:00 < harpreet>  - We are also putting the newly proposed integration in place (in Hudson).
11:44:03 < harpreet> Thats it for RM.
11:44:41 < dmezentsev> harpreet: Thanks.
11:45:12 < dmezentsev> I would like to comment here that nowadays there are several prototypes which is ready to be used:
11:45:32 < dmezentsev> 1. Running of CI for modules.
11:45:59 < dmezentsev> So that teams who are developing modules can easily launch main automated tests for their module branch.
11:46:45 < dmezentsev> 2. Running of CI for the particular changset in a test CI before putting it into PI,
11:47:06 < dmezentsev> if someone is not confident in a change.
11:47:32 < dmezentsev> Prototypes are ready to be used and RM is really waiting for the feedback.
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11:47:55 < dmezentsev> So anyone interested can get in touch with RM team and they will provide more details.
11:47:56 < huehner> dmezentsev: can you please tell me which announcement++documentation emails i missed about those features?
11:48:42 < dmezentsev> huehner: I think first one was announced. I saw the e-mail, but I´ll check.
11:48:49 < ggi> dmezentsev: the test for a particular changest is not a complete prototype, and right now is not very useful for developers
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11:49:26 < dmezentsev> huehner: Second one is not yet but it is an early announcement.
11:49:49 < huehner> dmezentsev: ok, thanks
11:50:19 < dmezentsev> ggi: I was mentioning that these are prototypes so we would like just to validate them and in this case I think any feedback will be helpful.
11:50:58 < dmezentsev> Also I have some interesting statistics that we received from Canonical last days about number of downloads of our packages
11:51:15 < dmezentsev> If in January, February we had 350-300 downdloads, then in March we had 1550, in April practically 2400.
11:51:18 < ggi> dmezentsev: ok
11:51:47 < dmezentsev> It is usually to have that spikes once new packages are introduced and RM did Karmic and Lucid but Lucid was release at the final dates of April,
11:52:12 < dmezentsev> so really interesting to see the results of May.
11:52:17 < pnuding> although we also had some questions back to Canonical as the stats showed some weird effects with previous numbers
11:52:28 < pnuding> they're looking into it now
11:52:42 < JohnFandl> yes, have not heard back on that
11:52:46 < pnuding> but no matter what they find it looks like a serious increase
11:53:02 < dmezentsev> pnuding: OK, thanks.
11:53:35 < dmezentsev> OK, there were some additional notes related to RM team activities.
11:53:52 < dmezentsev> Any questions to RM?
11:54:10 < dmezentsev> Then who would like to go next?
11:54:26 < huehner> dmezentsev: we can
11:54:33 < dmezentsev> Cool.
11:54:43 < huehner> Status for platform team:
11:54:52 < huehner> The (usual) longer running projects are still ongoing:
11:55:08 < huehner> - UI Prototype selectors (implemening missing features compared to old selectors right now)
11:55:14 < huehner> - New UI prototype
11:55:30 < huehner> - Reimplement Central repository
11:55:43 < huehner> One finished project which will be shipped in mp18:
11:55:56 < huehner> - Enhanced Preference system
11:55:59 < huehner> Ongoing project:
11:56:10 < huehner> - Dynamic Rebuild windows (change ui of the rebuild popup in new versions)
11:56:30 < huehner> - Setup and document development environment for 3.0 (especially in regards to templates)
11:56:36 < huehner> That's all from us
11:56:38 < huehner> Questions?
11:56:54 < plujan> yes, I have a question
11:57:46 < plujan> if I understood correctly, only project to be included in MP18 is the new preferences project that will replace the current preferences, right?
11:58:07 < alostale> it is not a replacement but an extension
11:58:15 < huehner> plujan: let me recheck things from our last sprint if there are more?
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11:58:32 < huehner> plujan: for preferences will enhance old prferences and replace the 'short lived' ad_property_configuration
11:59:00 < huehner> plujan: checked, for project merges nothing more i know of for mp18
11:59:08 < plujan> ok, cool. Thanks
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11:59:58 < dmezentsev> huehner: alostale: For the new CR. Are we planning to switch this month?
12:00:25 < alostale> probably not, maybe next one
12:00:39 < alostale> since the integration with forge is not completed yet
12:00:46 < alostale> and qa is pending to be done
12:00:53 < dmezentsev> alostale: OK, clear, thanks.
12:01:09 < dmezentsev> Any other questions to Platform team?
12:01:37 < dmezentsev> OK, then let´s continue.
12:01:42 < JohnFandl> I can do, brief update
12:02:03 < JohnFandl> Working on web site updates and marketing materials to better communicate our value proposition and competitive differentiators.
12:02:03 < dmezentsev> JohnFandl: We would like to finish with a teams,
12:02:07 < dmezentsev> if you don´t mind.
12:02:12 < JohnFandl> ok no prob
12:02:13 < psarobe> i can go then
12:02:20 < dmezentsev> OK, thanks.
12:02:41 < psarobe> We are waiting for release management to start testing MP18. Right now what was fixed till the 15th has passed all the test. In this moment RM is passing the tests for all the commits from the 16th to the 19th. As you all know if this success then we will promote all to Main as well. But if not, then we will have to transplant all the required fixes that you have already asked for
12:03:10 < psarobe> but at least we will have an obx file very soon
12:03:22 < psarobe> From automation side we have achieve a very important milestone which is to have the necessary  infrastructure to be able to develop differente test suites independently from the smoke test. Currently RM has strating using this new way of developing, QA team also has created a new test suit which is name "Regression" and hopefully Localiaztion team or maybe QA team will soon start developing the test cases for the SPLP
12:03:46 < katratxo> psarobe: SPLP ?
12:03:56 < psarobe> spanish professional....
12:04:08 < katratxo> localization pack ?
12:04:22 < psarobe> hehe, yes
12:04:25 < katratxo> ;)
12:04:32 < psarobe> We are also interesting in developing test cases using DBunit, which is similar as Junit but  going directly against the DB. We still need to do more research on this
12:05:09 < psarobe> and finally
12:05:10 < psarobe> We are also doing some research to be able to execute in parallel test suites. That could decrease a lot the time when executing the smokes. Here we are finding some issues that we will try to find the solution with the help of all of you.
12:05:36 < psarobe> any questions?
12:05:43 < vmromanos> psarobe: it will be nice if you give an update about DBunit once you have finished the research
12:05:52 < vmromanos> psarobe: looks interesting
12:05:55 < psarobe> of course
12:06:13 < huehner> vmromanos: note even right now you can test plcode via java/xsql or java/dal if you want to
12:06:23 < huehner> vmromanos: psarobe but perhaps dbunit makes this easier
12:06:26 < psarobe> in fact we started doing last year but finally we didn't do anything, I think now we will do something really interesting
12:06:52 < vmromanos> huehner, psarobe: ok, thanks
12:06:52 < psarobe> huehner, thanks
12:07:14 < dmezentsev> psarobe: Thanks for the update.
12:07:14 < plujan> DBUnit will provide an additional benefit. It could be integrated with current selenium test cases (since they are JUnit like)
12:07:50 < dmezentsev> OK, moving forward.
12:08:01 < dmezentsev> Can we have update from Support team?
12:08:10 < adrianromero> Yes
12:08:22 < adrianromero> This is the update for the ERP Engineering Support team:
12:08:31 < adrianromero> lso plan to start this sprint with the development of new IDL entities to support advanced payment and receivables. We plan to deliver the first entity this sprint.
12:08:35 < adrianromero> * The defects status continues on risk but the number of issues pending is not increasing, even the number is lowering a bit.
12:08:38 < adrianromero> I would like also to remind to all people that fix issues, to document properly the fix in the issues report to help people that is waiting for the fix. Please have a look at my blog post that has some recomendations how to document a fix: http://adrianrcblog.blogspot.com/2010/04/fix-report.html
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12:09:10 < adrianromero> Sorry bad copybad copy-paste
12:09:18 < adrianromero> Start again
12:09:36 < adrianromero> * We are in the middle of the sprint 31 and we have 20 issues to fix in this sprint. We are on track.
12:09:51 < adrianromero> * We also plan to start this sprint with the development of new IDL entities to support advanced payment and receivables. We plan to deliver the first entity this sprint.
12:10:02 < adrianromero> * The defects status continues on risk but the number of issues pending is not increasing, even the number is lowering a bit.
12:10:09 < adrianromero> I would like also to remind to all people that fix issues, to document properly the fix in the issues report to help people that is waiting for the fix. Please have a look at my blog post that has some recomendations how to document a fix: http://adrianrcblog.blogspot.com/2010/04/fix-report.html
12:10:25 < adrianromero> That is all, thanks. Any question?
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12:11:03 < dmezentsev> adrianromero: Looks like nothing, thanks.
12:11:23 < dmezentsev> We have final team to update the progress, ERP Engineering.
12:11:29 < eduardo> yes
12:11:36 < eduardo> Last week team released first version(alpha) of Advance payables and receivables
12:11:43 < eduardo> It is available for installation in central repository
12:11:53 < eduardo> It is not production ready, the main purpose is just to retrieve quality feedback from community
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12:12:29 < eduardo> on next sprints we will be focused on evolving the module and applying the feedback comming from the community
12:12:54 < eduardo> as well as adding missing fuctionality compared to current flow
12:13:14 < eduardo> we have just had our next planning session
12:13:43 < eduardo> we have done the translation module into spanish which we need to test before publishin
12:14:11 < eduardo> and in near future we will as well be releasing an alpha version of QS 2.0
12:15:07 < eduardo> we are doing the planning to estimate delivery date for prodcution releases of QS and Advance payables and receivables module
12:15:34 < eduardo> and thats mainly it
12:15:38 < eduardo> any questions??
12:15:47 < plujan> do you know if the alpha module is being actually tested by anyone?
12:15:58 < eduardo> plujan, yes
12:16:16 < eduardo> in fact i know some of our mates are already testing it
12:16:29 < eduardo> i was as well asked to do a demo internally
12:16:57 < eduardo> and I know Paolo is close to find beta testers
12:17:13 < eduardo> we just want to get as much feedback as possible
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12:17:19 < dmezentsev> plujan: I hope next meeting we will have some feedback from Partners as several demos are planed or even conducted (last week Richard gave a demo to the US Partner and Customer) so we will be able to share the impression from Community.
12:17:28 < eduardo> so i would encourage you all to install ita and put an eye on it
12:17:49 < eduardo> and log any issue you may find
12:18:02 < eduardo> now a days the feedback we are getting is very possitive
12:18:09 < eduardo> i hope you all like it
12:18:10 < eduardo> ;)
12:18:19 < plujan> ok, thanks
12:18:44 < eduardo> any way, there are many enhancements we eant to add before releasing production version
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12:19:01 < eduardo> i hope it will be a great success
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12:19:17 < eduardo> i would like to thank all the team effort to make this happen
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12:19:26 < eduardo> as well as platform help
12:19:39 < katratxo> eduardo: np
12:19:41 < katratxo> ;)
12:19:41 < eduardo> any other question??
12:19:55 < sara2010> i have a question
12:20:03 < eduardo> shoot
12:20:22 < sara2010> i m admin of openbravo
12:20:31 < eduardo> ok
12:20:49 < sara2010> and i want to disable print screen from user hand!
12:20:57 < katratxo> sara2010: we are in the middle of a meeting, please wait to the end
12:21:13 < sara2010> okay
12:21:13 < dmezentsev> katratxo: Thanks.
12:21:19 < sara2010> katratxo :)
12:21:21 < eduardo> thanks sara
12:21:31 < eduardo> any other question?
12:21:52 < dmezentsev> OK, thanks for the Teams,
12:21:58 < eduardo> welcome
12:22:16 < dmezentsev> Let´s go to the second part of the meeting with updates from other areas.
12:22:41 < JohnFandl> ok, I can do
12:22:45 < JohnFandl> ok?
12:22:51 < eduardo> please
12:22:53 < dmezentsev>  JohnFandl: You wanted to give an update.
12:23:01 < JohnFandl> Working on web site updates and marketing materials to better communicate our value proposition and competitive differentiators.
12:23:15 < JohnFandl> Will also launch a monthly public podcast soon--fast-paced summary of the many things going on in the Openbravo ecosystem
12:23:28 < JohnFandl> Lots in progress on both product marketing and campaign marketing, stay tuned.
12:23:41 < JohnFandl> We got a sale of the Intercompany Documents module on the Exchange last week.  Go modularity!  :)
12:23:51 < eduardo> cool!!!
12:24:00 < JohnFandl> Working to get many proposed Product & Services Catalog changes instituted--subscription pricing, support lifecycle, etc.
12:24:02 < robgoris> Woohoo
12:24:14 < JohnFandl> Note that new Online Basic Technical Training will start next month, in new more convenient 2-week format.  Looking at that same format for other online courses also.
12:24:40 < JohnFandl> Met a guy named Pablo Ruiz Múzquiz in charge of the open source practice at Spanish partner Entel the other week, and they may be interested in testing AP&R and providing feedback.
12:24:56 < JohnFandl> Happy partner, had nothing but good things to say about Moncho, Jaime, and the support they have gotten.  They have implemented 2 deals on 2.40, and are now getting into 2.50.
12:25:02 < eduardo> happy to hear that
12:25:03 < eduardo> ;)
12:25:14 < JohnFandl> Re: AP&R forum, Renate mentioned to me yesterday that she had posted some functional questions a while ago that never got a response.  I think it is important to be especially proactive in the AP&R forum in this moment.
12:25:30 < eduardo> i agree
12:25:38 < eduardo> any commet Richard??
12:25:43 < eduardo> comment
12:25:51 < dmezentsev> JohnFandl: Thanks for point it out, we will take it.
12:25:58 < eduardo> i will try to put an eye as well
12:26:08 < JohnFandl> sure, awesome work on AP&R!!
12:26:17 < JohnFandl> that's all for me
12:26:43 < dmezentsev> eduardo: Thanks, Richard is not connected now and also all the team should support him in Forums.
12:26:57 < eduardo> sure
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12:27:03 < eduardo>  i will try to put an eye as well
12:27:16 < dmezentsev>  JohnFandl: Thanks John, very interesting and encouraging :-).
12:27:37 < dmezentsev> Any questions to John?
12:28:03 < dmezentsev> Looks like nothing.
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12:28:25 < dmezentsev> Peter, Rob could you continue please?
12:28:28 < pnuding> sure
12:28:29 < robgoris> me me me!
12:28:33 < pnuding> noooo :)
12:28:39 < pnuding> I'm real quick
12:28:42 < pnuding> I'm working on the Exchange and some Forge issues these days, but looking to dedicate time into quickstart documentation again. No news apart from this
12:29:06 < pnuding> (see? quick enough?)
12:29:18 < robgoris> that was boring. Now I will go
12:29:18 < eduardo> happy brthday
12:29:19 < eduardo> ;)
12:29:28 < pnuding> thx Edu!
12:29:44 < robgoris> Update UX:
12:30:05 < robgoris> 3.0 is on its way! Here is how: Conceptual (wireframe) designs for MyOpenbravo are practically done. MyOpenbravo is the workspace page that sits on the first tab in the 3.0 GUI. You can compare it to an iGoogle or NetVibes portal.
12:30:19 < robgoris> The widgets on MyOpenbravo will be configurable by consultants and end users and the community will eventually create new widgets as modules.
12:30:31 < robgoris> However, we still want to offer a set of widgets out-of-the-box for 3.0 to get the user started. We were thinking of a widget that shows Invoiced-Per-Product-Per-Month, one that pulls in an RSS Feed, one for Alerts, one for Saved Searches and a couple for Sales and Purchase Orders.
12:30:45 < robgoris> You can view and discuss the work so far via the UX Lab forum on Forge, here: http://bit.ly/cwX6jk and my blog post http://openbravouxlab.blogspot.com/2010/05/my-openbravo-first-version.html
12:30:56 < robgoris> The next step will be to design them properly in the 3.0 look & feel.
12:31:04 < robgoris> We´re also planning to redesign the Sales Order and G/L Journal Entry flows. This will be done from scratch, starting with customer stories, user research (I was thinking of doing some contextual enquiries) and proces modeling. Then we´ll produce mockups that will be shared with you for feedback. The redesign will use 3.0 GUI design patterns and technology.
12:31:19 < robgoris> We´ve started with a couple of use cases. You can find them here in the functional specs for Sales Orders: http://bit.ly/ak7NN0
12:31:30 < robgoris> I can´t emphasize enough that the Sales Order flow is sort of the "Mother Of All Flows" in an ERP system. Super important! We need to get this right and we need your help.
12:31:42 < robgoris> So: Ideas, suggestions and customer pains for both flows are appreciated, please discuss them on the forum (on the project forum http://bit.ly/9f1aUK).
12:31:50 < robgoris> That´s it. Cheers & bye
12:32:42 < dmezentsev> Thanks, Peter, Rob.
12:32:47 < dmezentsev> Any questions?
12:33:19 < dmezentsev> OK, I think with that we are done with the agenda.
12:33:33 < dmezentsev> Anything else you would like to discuss?
12:33:41 < dmezentsev> Questions, suggestions?
12:34:26 < dmezentsev> If no then thank you very much for attending the meeting and updates.
12:34:36 < dmezentsev> Bye.
12:34:40 < eduardo> bye
12:34:41 < vmromanos> bye
12:34:41 < JohnFandl> bye
12:34:41 < huehner> thx, bye
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